Well I have a few things kicking around so let's take another look and see what we can do
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K £269.98
MOBO: Gigabyte Z87X-UD4H S1150 Intel Z87 £145.35
CASE: CoolerMaster HAF XM £95.00
PSU: Corsair 760W AX760 80PLUS Platinum £124.99
That would come to £635.32
I have a Crucial 64GB SSD, 4GB of Corsair XMS RAM, an XFX HD5770 graphic card and a 1.5 TB Seagate 7200 RPM hard drive that are kicking around my place doing nothing that you can have. So if your dad lives in the South of England he can pick them up, if not it doesn't cost all that much to send. You could use the stock cooler that comes with the CPU on the 4770k for now. That way you would only need to add on stuff as you can afford it and not buy something now just to chuck it away in a few months. I've even got a spare 200mm fan for the case.
The system would be throttled but not crippled as it would if you started making foul compromises in the core components (PSU, Motherboard, CPU and case). You'd have to make do with the monitor you have at the moment.
With that you could play games even if not at the highest resolution with all the AA etc.
You can ask your dad to get in contact with me on Skype under the name Nec_V20 because I don't think he'd be too happy with you talking to some strange guy on the Internet
Last edited by Nec_V20; 02-09-13 at 23:40.
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Thank you so much! But we live in Ireland and the price for the parts are more than €700 and is nearer the €800. And I don't have a monitor. (I don't think a 32" TV is good to play PC games on. :P) If it was a little cheaper maybe but....we can't right now since my brother is going to college. But I just want to say thank you again for the time you spent helping me and thank you for y'know willingly send parts to some kid that you don't know. Maybe in a year or two I'll be back picking up parts to build an epic gaming rig.
As I said to you, it is now (or will be in October) thirty years since I did my own very first hardware upgrade myself. I got a lot of help from a couple of guys who showed me the ropes (and taught me to solder). Later on when I wanted to upgrade to an Intel 80286 it was horrendously expensive - I was a student at the time - but again people helped me out with stuff (motherboard, CPU, RAM).
So I don't forget my roots and when the opportunity arises, as in your case, I make the offer as a kind of repayment to the guys who helped me.
Back then there was no Internet, I was just lucky to meet and get to know a few great techies.
You could get by with the following. You will be able to play games and not just at the lowest settings.
CPU: AMD A10-6800k £112.99 http://www.dabs.com/products/amd-a10...94942707&src=3
MOBO: Gigabyte F2A85XM-HD3 FM2 AMD A85 DDR3 mATX £56.52 http://www.dabs.com/products/gigabyt...86690000&src=3
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i £89.98
RAM: G.Skill 8GB (2 x 4GB) Ripjaws-X DDR3 PC3-12800 1600MHz CL9 £55.03
CASE: CoolerMaster HAF XM £95.00
Monitor: Samsung S24C550VL 23.6" LED 1920x1080 VGA/2xHDMI £187.41 http://www.dabs.com/products/samsung...00-50429&src=3
GPU: Not necessary is on the CPU
PSU: Corsair 760W AX760 80PLUS Platinum £124.99 / Corsair 650W Enthusiast Series TX650 Modular Power Supply £77.98
HDD: My Seagate 1.5TB
SSD: My Crucial Real C300 64GB SSD
As I said, I can send you my 64GB SSD (for the operating system) and the 1.5 TB Seagate 7200 Hard drive.
This would come in total including a REALLY good monitor to £721.92
The lowest you could possibly go with regard to a PSU would be a:
Corsair 650W Enthusiast Series TX650 Modular Power Supply £77.98 http://www.dabs.com/products/corsair...LGK.html?src=3
The monitor I recommended has a 2ms response time which is what you want if you are playing games or watching a DVD film. I personally think it is the best of what is available within your budget. Yes there are cheaper monitors but I guarantee you will get to hate them within weeks if you buy one of them.
This would knock the total down to £674.91 for a complete system with monitor. With a DVD drive you would still be under £700
This is really as low as you can go and still have a usable system. You will be able to resell the CPU and Motherboard at some point in the future because they would be ideal for a Home Theatre PC.
It won't cost me much to send the SSD and the HD to you and I also have a couple of spare SATA cables and an HDMI cable. But again get your dad to contact me, don't you go giving out your details to anyone you don't personally know on the Internet.
Last edited by Nec_V20; 04-09-13 at 05:12.
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That's actually not a bad build and I can probably run League with that just fine. But maybe I shouldn't buy the CPU cooler until I get a better build. (and save a few quid.) But instead get faster RAM since the APU will use the RAM as the memory since it's not dedicated graphics with VRAM. Like maybe the Kingston Hyper X Predator? (2400mhz) And is the anything wrong with the Corsair HX650? It's modular and is 80+ Gold. It's cheaper than the AX760 but it still a Gold PSU. And my dad has been reading the thread and he might talk to you soon. :P Thanks.
I wanted to get the price down to a point where your dad was not having an aneurysm
But seriously if you think about it, if you are looking at the HX650 then the price step to the AX760 is negligible really. I wanted to give you the "as low as you should consider" side of it. From the price/performance side of things the HX650 doesn't hack it against the AX760 as well as the TX650 would. I also didn't want to recommend something which would be in the Reliant Robin class, i.e. "Pro: Cheap, Con: How much is your life worth?" I wrote a post on this topic and you can look at it here:
With regard to the H100i, just sit back and consider for a moment. Don't just look at it as, "Oh it's got less performance than an i7-4770k so I can get by with a cheaper cooler". Look at the comparison between the 4770k and the A10-6800k:
The TDP of the 4770k is 84W and that of the A10-6800k is 100W, so the A10 is going to run hotter. It will also run hotter because it has to work at its top performance to keep up with the 4770k ticking over at 50% or so. You will also want to overclock the A10 to get more performance out of it. So getting a cheaper cooler to go with a cheaper CPU is not really a valid choice to make, even though that may seem intuitive at first glance. You are also going to put a lot more strain on the GPU portion of the processor (because at first you won't have a dedicated graphics card) and that needs to be cooled as well!
RAM speed is to a great extent a myth. You get next to no real overall system performance increase with RAM speed and in fact with the aggressive turbo on the A10 APU overclocking the CPU, and the board compatibility, you would have to castrate the 2400MHz RAM to a point where the performance will be as low or even lower than the 1600 MHz RAM to avoid stability issues like regular BSODs when playing games. So again you would be saving on the wrong end and splurging out on something which in reality will give you no benefit.
All this "RAM speed" and the suggested performance gain is marketdroid/salescritter BS for the most part. I wrote a post on that here:
Take a look at the following graph:
The graph is how much better than 1333 RAM the various others are with regard to games in synthetic RAM benchmarks. In the first result 1600 RAM is 7.5% better however 2400 RAM is only about 17.5% better. This does not however translate directly into the game performance itself! They are synthetic benchmarks of RAM performance. So seriously, do you really want to fork out all that much more dosh for a illusory "performance gain" of RAM over getting a better CPU cooler? Just because it says "2400" on the box doesn't mean that you will be able to overclock it to that on your system anyway. The boards for the A10 processor only support RAM up to 1866.
I did my own test with my RAM running at 1066 and then at 1600 with a RAM Disk and ran disk benchmarks on that RAM Disk and there wasn't all that much performance difference. Yes the 1600 was a bit faster but not by a lot.
Last edited by Nec_V20; 04-09-13 at 20:50.
With regard to monitors and Samsung. I still have my 15 inch (1024*768) LCD Samsung monitor which I bought in 1999 and it still works a treat. I bought an LG 23" monitor and it went haywire on me just after two years - when the warranty had run out of course.
Speaking of RAM Disks, Softperfect, who have a good RAM Disk software, have made the full version of their product "Softperfect RAM Disk" (http://http://www.softperfect.com/products/ramdisk/ available for free (it used to cost quite a lot).
So when you have your system then set aside one gigabyte (well actually it should be gibibyte) of RAM for a RAM Disk and set your virtual memory and your browser cache to run on it - performance wise it is worth it and it also saves wear and tear on the SSD.
Last edited by Nec_V20; 05-09-13 at 04:10.
This is the build for my new i7-4770k if you are interested:
Cooler Master HAF XB Cube Case Black £68.34
Corsair AX860 860W Modular Power Supply 80 Plus Platinum £126.16 (yes I got the AX860 for this price)
Intel Core i7 4770K 3.5 GHz 8MB LGA1150 £259.99
Gigabyte Z87X-UD5H S1150 Intel Z87 DDR3 ATX £188.64
Cooler Master MegaFlow 200mm LED Silent Fan - Blue £10.94
ModRight 200mm Clear Fan Filter Aluminium Mesh £7.65
Corsair H100i Hydro Series Extreme Performance CPU Cooler £89.94
3 * Noctua NF-F12 PWM Desktop PC Case Cooling Fan £50.22
2 * Noctua NF-R8 80mm PC CASE FAN (PWM Version) £25.98
3 * 120mm Mesh Aluminium Fan Filter - Black £ 7.80
Mesh Air Filter 80mm Color Black £2.86
3 * Gelid PCI Bracket with Removable Dust Filter, pack of 3 £11.97
12 pcs PC Case Fan Screws (Black) £1.59 (I had tons of silver ones but I wanted black)
COMPUTER PC DUST MESH NET GAUZE COVER AIR FILTER SHEET £7.99
50 Strong Neodymium Disc Magnets 6x3 mm N52 Grade £6.36 (for attaching the mesh net gauze to the openings in the side panels and back - I didn't want to use glue)
2 * Phobya 6-32 UNC x 35mm Cross Head Screw 4 Pack : Black Nickel £6.83
Running total £883.26
Last edited by Nec_V20; 05-09-13 at 05:44.
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I like the build but i'm going to change the monitor to a BenQ. It's still 1920X1080 with 2ms and it's a lot cheaper. Also would there be a clearance issue with the MOBO and CPU Cooler?
P.S: The BenQ has a lot of really good reviews so.....
No clearance issues whatsoever with regard to the motherboard and the HAF XM.
I looked at some BenQ reviews and (I am assuming you will be getting the BenQ GL2450HM) they are positive. Personally I have never used one. As long as it is rated at 2ms it will be good for gaming.
Last edited by Nec_V20; 07-09-13 at 14:41.